posted by [identity profile] boogieshoes.livejournal.com at 01:09pm on 21/12/2007
to me, it depends on the exact word. 'tyre' gets me every time, because it looks like a completely different word, not just 'tire' in 'british'.

honour/honor and color/colour will sometimes get me, but it usually depends on context.

otoh, i flow right over the z/s thing - realize/realise, recognize/recognise... i'm actually at the point where i don't know which of those is 'correct' american spelling anymore.

then there are the weird small things. i love Gil Hale, and she does an excellent job americanizing her fic, but it totally drives me crazy when she has someone 'ring up' some one else. in america, they *call* you... the weirdest thing about this is that i didn't catch until i was re-reading her stuff, which tells you how good she is!

any, back to the point. it depends on context, and exactly which spellings it is. i'm more likely to be picky about a fic set in modern-day times. that may, in fact, be the whole of my reaction to 'tyre' - it may look extremely old-fashioned to me. but by the same token, if the piece is set more than 100yrs ago, british spellings don't bother me as much, and i tend to think of them as adding to the atmosphere of the piece. even if it's an american piece.

i don't know if that makes sense, but i hope it helps.

-bs
 
posted by [identity profile] gillyp.livejournal.com at 01:16pm on 21/12/2007
Yeah, I see that someone 'ringing' someone matters because that's idiomatic and that should be right but why does it need to be spelled differently?

And I see where you're coming from because 'tire' looks awful to me, like someone can't spell (and I know it's correct for American English but it still looks bad to my eye - like all those 'ize's).

So I still don't know - I guess what I feel is I still don't see why the majority have to adapt because a minority can't?
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posted by [personal profile] starwatcher at 02:14pm on 21/12/2007
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I still don't see why the majority have to adapt because a minority can't?

And that's it exactly. As an American, I get soooo tired of Americans who expect the entire rest of the world to bend to doing things "our" way... from the president right on down. It demonstrates an attitude of inflexibility and entitlement.

I get fb that tells me 'the spelling really took me out of the story'.

My gut response to them would be, "Sucks to be you, doesn't it, ducky?" Not that I would ever say it... *g*

Look at it this way. You've written the best Jim and Blair characterization you know how. Now, your beta might say, "I'm not sure Jim would really xxx; you might want to rethink that. It might be better if yyy." So you do rethink, and consider, and you decide that your interpretation is valid, and necessary for the story, and you don't change it.

That's your prerogative as a writer and, once you've made the decision, you don't stew over it. Spelling is your decision, too, and it's your prerogative to stick with the UK version.

You might head off stupid nit-picking by addressing it in the header information. "Warning: Brit spelling ahead. If it upsets you, kindly use the back button instead of complaining." But regardless, my advice is to stick to your guns; you're a Brit and you're allowed to use Brit spelling, ffs!

Um... can you tell I feel very passionately about (some) people shoving other people around? As in, readers who expect every little detail to go their way. Not 'no', but 'HELL, no!'
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posted by [identity profile] gillyp.livejournal.com at 02:39pm on 21/12/2007
Gosh; you are so forceful ::feels like Blair, pinned to the wall. Is quite turned on:: Is that wrong? (heh heh heh).

Hmmm. yeah, I suppose that's how I see it, but it's not just Americans who do this; I know people have been *shredded* in HP for using the occasional Americanism or American spelling. So far as I know, I've never had fb from George W so I can't comment on that. (o:

You know, in the light of what you say, I really do think I'm sticking with my original spelling because I'm just too damn lazy to bother changing it all.

Thanks for the comment (and the cheap, naughty thrill). ::giggle::
 
posted by [identity profile] betagoddess.livejournal.com at 05:40pm on 21/12/2007
LOL. I opened up a can of worms with my question to you, didn't I? *g*

You think you're lazy, just as I was too lazy to keep on marking them in the fic.

It sure doesn't bother me, because I LIKE my "u"s, as I said. And what a pain in the neck to take them all out!!!

And as YOU'VE said, we "u" adders are in the vast majority of English speakers in the world.

As someone else said above, it's the "ring up" and that type of thing that really bother me. And I didn't notice a single one of those in your fic. =>}

Good luck. Heh heh!
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posted by [personal profile] starwatcher at 04:18pm on 22/12/2007
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Gosh; you are so forceful

More in talk than in action... but we *are* talking. *g*

::feels like Blair, pinned to the wall. Is quite turned on:: Is that wrong?

Feelings aren't wrong (although some shouldn't be acted on). So, enjoy your cheap, naughty thrill; happy to oblige. ::giggles with you::
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posted by [identity profile] gillyp.livejournal.com at 10:11am on 22/12/2007
Sorry, just gotta mention:
"Sucks to be you, doesn't it, ducky?"

heh heh heh!!! Didn't know Americans said 'ducky - to me that's a very old-fashioned British thing, the sort of things you'd see about plucky working class types in the war (WW2 ie - man, now I'm uber-conscious of everything that might be idiomatic and therefore misunderstood)
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posted by [personal profile] starwatcher at 03:37pm on 22/12/2007
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Didn't know Americans said 'ducky

Oh, they absolutely don't. But I figure if someone was complaining about Brit spelling, they deserve to have their nose rubbed in Brit slang.

I know and/or recognize quite a bit of Brit slang. (And am learning more with the help of my flist; I love 'kerfuffle'.) But, not living in the community, I don't know what's dated, what's current, and what's no longer used. OTOH, a complainer about Brit spelling won't, either. *g*
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posted by [identity profile] gillyp.livejournal.com at 06:08pm on 22/12/2007
So, what's American for 'kerfuffle'?
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posted by [personal profile] starwatcher at 07:13pm on 22/12/2007
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Y'know, I drew a blank, so I checked out the thesaurus. Depending on context, I might use argument, row, ruckus, debate, flap, squabble, wrangle, controversy, beef... I want to say 'contretemps', but that's French, even though used by Americans. The thing is, none of those quite have the flavor of 'kerfuffle' in mind -- a wide-ranging spat that, ultimately, isn't very important but is blown out of proportion -- which is probably why I've latched onto it; it says what I need to express. Of course, the English language has a history of appropriating words from other languages, so I'm just following the trend. *g*
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posted by [identity profile] boogieshoes.livejournal.com at 02:43am on 22/12/2007
and to be honest, my personal belief is that it's more important to be idiomatically correct that spelling-ly correct. one of the reasons it took me so long to cop to the fact that Gil *must* be non-American is because since 99% of her 'fic is so thoroughly americanized wrt idioms, the spelling sort of 'fades into the background', if you get my drift.

i've read a ton of fantasy and sci-fi, and not every british author is subjected to being americanized when they cross the ocean. i might still trip over words like 'tyre' enough to mention it in passing - well, giggle over it in passing, more like - but i'm far more likely to complain about jim tossing the torch in the boot of his car on the way to the lift. i've seen people do *that* and it makes me want to spork my eyes out. or theirs.

so my advice: concentrate on the idioms, and don't let the spelling thing put you 'in hospital'.

-bs

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