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Gosh, this coffee's strong.

posted by [personal profile] panik at 02:25pm on 15/02/2008 under ,
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.... (this is the sound of me, musing)

Jim's a tricky cove to write, isn't he? He is for me, anyway. Blair, I can connect to; I can channel Blair in a way I've never really been able to with Jim. I've always found him hard to write and this afternoon, he's being particularly obstreperous. I need him to emote, but in a Jim-like way; quietly, internally; he's just this big old iceberg, nine tenths below the surface -a nd it's all so internalised and he's so terribly confused and conflicted and angry and sad, poor lamb...

He's coming along, but far from nicely.

I always have this problem, when I've been away from a story for too long; I have to read it all through a couple of times and really think hard about where everyone is - what they're thinking, why they're doing what they're doing - before I can start writing again and when writing again = Jim being all repressed and emotional and weepy and sexy... it's a toughie, but I'm doing my best. *g*

I got a lot done on my novel this morning without a single word of actual writing; I did it all in here (taps head) - but made a few notes so I'll know what's going on when I go back to it later - because it's all in the characters - the story has to unfold very slowly through their eyes and, having come to the end of a long stretch of what can only be called P.L.O.T, I'm back to learning why things are happening through the thoughts and feelings of the protagonists - which means I have to start thinking again - and there's one major character I haven't even introduced yet. I think maybe I should do him next.

And while all this goes on in my head, I find myself plagued with a Ten/Master bunny that will not let go. I'm terrified I'm about to commit Who-Fic...

Anyway, sorry for the meaningless ramble. I just needed a break from Jim really.

And my coffee's gone cold. Hey ho...
location: exiled to the bedroom (Mark watching telly)
Mood:: 'pensive' pensive
Music:: the sawmill
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posted by [identity profile] janedavitt.livejournal.com at 03:24pm on 15/02/2008
Heh, I find Jim easier to write than Blair; my first fics were all Jim POV and Blair felt scary :-)
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posted by [identity profile] gillyp.livejournal.com at 03:28pm on 15/02/2008
Actually, that shows in your fic, as I suspect it does in mine. I suspect you're more of a Jim babe than a Blair babe...
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posted by [identity profile] janedavitt.livejournal.com at 03:35pm on 15/02/2008
No, oddly, I'm not... RB's done so much more acting so I talk about him more, but when it comes to the Sentinel, I love both characters equally.

DO NOT MAKE ME CHOOSE JUST ONE! :-)))
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Whoa...

posted by [identity profile] gillyp.livejournal.com at 03:44pm on 15/02/2008
::holding hands up in a Blairish way:: Would I do that? Your fic has always seemed more Jim-centric to me; maybe that's not right, |I don't know - just the way it reads to me.

I love them both too; the JimnBlair sum is so much more than its parts, but I feel more connected to Blair than Jim; I tend to see the story through Blair's eyes far more than through Jim's. Jim's thought processes and view on the world are more alien to me, hence, harder to get into.
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posted by [identity profile] janedavitt.livejournal.com at 03:51pm on 15/02/2008
Hey, I was only teasing you! And I'm absolutely fine with it coming over that way to you; I love Jim to bits. I think Blair feels younger and hipper than me, so I get nervous about channeling him. But I've written very long fics, like Boundaries, in Blair POV from start to finish, so it's not a huge deal for me.

I like that the show gives us two characters who have such a wide range that theres something for everyone.

I'm just greedy and want it all :-)
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posted by [identity profile] snycock.livejournal.com at 04:37pm on 15/02/2008
I love writing Jim, actually. I love writing Blair, too, though. And I really like the freedom of being able to go back and forth, because often, for me (things like plot structure and who knows what when being equal) it's the topic or the action that dictates whose POV I'm writing through. If I have a scene between the two of them I often think about how it will play from both POVs in order to figure out which one it should be. And when I write for a long time in one I start craving the other - one of the reasons I was SO happy to finish Every Purpose was that I got to start writing in Jim's voice again.

And, before you ask, I'm neither a Jim- nor a Blair-babe. I love them both equally, and for mostly different reasons. Which is an odd thing that's never happened in any other TV show I've liked. Usually I'm all about the sidekick and could care less about the hero...*G*
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posted by [identity profile] gillyp.livejournal.com at 05:02pm on 15/02/2008
Jim seems harder to me because he's less vocal, he's more physical and internal and dialogue is so much easier to write - but I really wasn't trying to start a dialogue on writing Jim or writing Blair, just musing on my writerly progress! (o:

I think maybe I'm just tiring of writing fic. It seems awfully hard to motivate myself to it these days.
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posted by [identity profile] snycock.livejournal.com at 02:18pm on 16/02/2008
I think maybe I'm just tiring of writing fic. It seems awfully hard to motivate myself to it these days.

:o( All fic, or just fanfic? 'Cause you sound pretty excited about Entanglement...

Maybe you just need to take a break from it for a while, hon. It must be exhausing, traveling back and forth all the time between home and your dad's. Everything can start to feel like a chore when you're tired...

::hugs::
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Well...

posted by [identity profile] gillyp.livejournal.com at 04:25pm on 16/02/2008
I don't count the novel as 'fic'; fic is a word I reserve exclusively for fanfic and I'm finding the fic really tough going right now; I've lost count of the number of times I've tried to get it moving lately. )o: I don't know what's going on in my head at the moment, tbh. I'm just tired and occasionally apt to spew out the most awful verbal diarrhoea - you must learn to ignore me when I'm being morose. *g*
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posted by [identity profile] mab-browne.livejournal.com at 08:15pm on 15/02/2008
I started out a whole-hearted Blair babe, and then Jim grew on me. Not that I ever *disliked* Jim. And it's because I started a Blair-babe that my earlier stories tend to be Jim POV, because I'm confusedly considering the object of my adoration through the eyes of his 'other' adorer. Slash is a funny thing.

Then I started just 'getting' Jim in his own right. I always have felt I 'get' Jim more, and I suspect that it's a matter of personalities. You strike me as somewhat Blair-like (in the best possible way *g) whereas there are things about Jim that really resonate with me...

Ten/Master fic. Yes! Commit Who-fic. Do it, do it, do it!
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posted by [identity profile] gillyp.livejournal.com at 04:17pm on 16/02/2008
I don't dislike Jim at all, I just find him a much harder nut to crack - his skin is harder for me to get under and I'm hyper-aware that my stories have a tendency to be Blair-centric - I'm trying to change that and give Jim more of a voice, but it's harder work.

Blair-like huh? It has been mentioned before. Well, I have the hair anyway. *g*

As for that 10/master ficlet. Stranger things have happened - I am tempted I must say...
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posted by [identity profile] maybeatdawn.livejournal.com at 10:47am on 16/02/2008
Really it's great for a simple reader to hear about your feelings when writing Jim or Blair.
Y've got my heartfelt virtual support!
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posted by [identity profile] gillyp.livejournal.com at 04:13pm on 16/02/2008
I'm glad someone enjoys my verbal diarrhoea! *g*
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posted by [identity profile] boogieshoes.livejournal.com at 03:29pm on 18/02/2008
i have a lot more problems with blair than jim, too. jim's the military 'uncle' every mil-brat wants. a hero, great with kids, death on bullies, and (i can see him being) totally understanding about the sacrifices asked of milbrats in particular, and military families in general. he's the sort of friend who'd take your kid for a walk and be able to help the kid feel better about daddy going off again, and never knowing if daddy's coming back.

which is... why the pilot episode pissed me off so darn much - it's a good thing i'd read a lot of the fanfic before i saw the episodes - and i didn't see the pilot first!

-bs
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posted by [identity profile] gillyp.livejournal.com at 12:47pm on 19/02/2008
I guess that's half my problem with Jim; I've never been into military/cop types - of course Jim's a whole lot more than that, but it's a mindset that's alien to me and hard for me to get into.
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posted by [identity profile] boogieshoes.livejournal.com at 01:44pm on 19/02/2008
right. whereas, i grew up in that culture, so... sometimes i totally roll my eyes at people when they try to write military characters, because there's so much there that people *don't get*, unless they're a part of it. it's not because people are incapable of understanding, it's more that there's a heck of a lot you just *don't say*, stuff that's implied and understood, but not spoken of.

when i get home tonight, i'll pass on the URL of a story that i thought did get it mostly right, from the character's POV. it's a mag7 fic, but don't let that put you off - it's good writing.

-bs
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posted by [identity profile] gillyp.livejournal.com at 02:07pm on 19/02/2008
Well I've never seem Mag7 so I can't say whether I'll get it or not, but thanks... (o:

I guess we all see life through our own filters; yours through one colour, mine another. Having grown up in a more Blairish environment, I tend to roll my eyes when people get Blair so, so wrong.
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story URL

posted by [identity profile] boogieshoes.livejournal.com at 11:02pm on 19/02/2008
The story is called 'Lines of Drift' :

http://www.blackraptor.net/m7fic-40/lines.htm

there's a sequal which i haven't read yet, but intend to tonight, called 'Shadow in the Moonlight':

http://www.blackraptor.net/m7fic-40/moonlight.htm

i really liked 'Line of Drift' because it was very... explicative in terms of describing the emotions these folks were going through - and those emotions were something i very much could see. and pay attention to the subtle details - like how no one mentions Vin's real name while he's in the hospital in Lundstahl, and how that's handled.

anyway, happy reading. :-)

-bs
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