I'm not offended just commenting. Making conversation and evidently not very well.*g* There is a whole lot of misunderstanding here(much deliberate)about Nationalized Health Care. People only hear horror stories and the President isn't helping much by being uninformed about his own bill and who supports it. Different can be scary to some people and buzz words are part and parcel of political scare mongering (on both sides). What I'm saying is don't be offended by a few people who are freaking out. And We'll try to do the same. America bashing seems to be a way of life and perfectly acceptable past time worldwide.
I try to avoid the comments on any news article, that's where things start to get a little disturbing. Well unless you just want someone to make fun of.
I don't pretend to understand the intricacies of this debate Evidently neither do most people, only 98 of the 535 members of Congress have signed a pledge to actually read this before voting. Now that is scary and the reason I am posting this bill in smaller parts so maybe it will be more easily digested.Although, it's so big the voting may well be over before I get it all up.*snerk
Don't start filtering, where would be the fun in that? *edited for atrocious spelling
Well I'm glad I didn't offend, it kinda read like I did and that wasn't my intention at all. Really, it's not been a news story here till it came to everyone's attention (via Twitter!) what was being said about the NHS in the US. This has caused widespread outrage here, fanned by a Tory MEP (a massive wanker hated even by his own party) who went on Fox news and lied, the head of his Party is incandescent and I await his return home with anticipation and glee *g*.
All I'm doing is following the Twitter trend and reporting on that.
Actually I really have only heard one or two people talk about the NHS at all. Some of them are for it and think this bill will get them there. It won't.
Would you love you system so much if you were required to purchase Health Insurance from the Government and pay a co-pay as well? This is what this bill is about not NHS.
As for Fox CNN and so on, I only watch the news programs, when the others come on I am so out of there. Opinions as they say ...
I believe there has been some advertising which is what kicked off the shit storm, also comments from (checks!) Republican Senator Chuck Grassley of Iowa and some stuff that said the elderly and the likes of Stephen Hawking are/would be 'allowed to die' under the NHS which is a lie. Hawking himself has been involved and... oh, on and on it goes.
pay a co-pay as well? I don't even know what that means. :o) The NHS is paid for entirely out of income tax, no insurance necessary, unless you elect to get private health insurance, which you are free to do if you so choose.
I think most people get that. There are always gonna be people who try and stir things up, like the man you mentioned from the UK.
Oh sorry,A co-pay is the part you pay that insurance doesn't cover. If your insurance pays 80% your co-pay would be 20%. That's what I pay. Unless it comes under Major Medical then the insurance pays 100%. Why would you buy private insurance if it already is paid through income tax?
Various reasons, mostly you're guaranteed a private room and in some cases, you get to jump the queue - not if it's an emergency or life-threatening, of course, but for some elective surgeries and heavily used things like hip replacements where there's a wait-time. You're mainly still using NHS hospitals and personnel and (I've heard) it can feel bad due to a general dislike of queue-jumpers by doctors and nurses. It's very much a tiny (wealthy!) minority . who do it. For the most part there are only short (days) wait times under the NHS and none at all for anything life-threatening.
Hard to say whether I'd pay a co-pay or how I'd feel about it - It's too alien to me, the concept of doing anything other than just turning up at the GP or hospital and expecting to be seen. Paying for that is... I can't compute, tbh, it's not part of my regular mental processing
NHS would pay if you went to a private or research hospital for a maybe unique or newer treatments? Advanced treatment centers like (I don't know what you have there that equates) St Jude Children's ,MD Anderson or The Mayo Clinic here?
The advanced research centres are all NHS as far as I know. There are very few private hospitals indeed and none of them dealing with anything other than elective, mostly plastic, surgery. The NHS = 95%+ of health care and most private patients get a private room in an NHS hospital using NHS staff.
NHS pay you? for - what? No, never, never heard of such a thing, why? Really, I never heard of that at all! Why would they do that, I am confused!
If so, no, it doesn't work that way, there's no way to pay the NHS even if you wanted to. Everyone who pays tax pays (ie, the Govt take a proportion of everybody's income tax for the NHS) and everyone (whether they pay tax or not) gets the service, no exemptions, no exceptions.
The only thing you might pay for are prescriptions, if you're working (not in any form of education, not unemployed, not retired, not on permanent disability allowance or any other kind of government benefit etc) you pay £7 per item. If you can buy it cheaper than that over the counter, the doctor will tell you and not add it to the prescription.
So if you were to go get specialized or radical treatment at a research center like MD Anderson Cancer Treatment Center you would have pay out of pocket yourself?
for taking the time to give all this great info. I think I may have a handle albeit a small one on this now. It would probably be as costly either way.$580 Billion doesn't even seem like real money does it?
You're welcome. I hope it helped... whatever it is you wanted to work out. I refuse to think about large fortunes on the principle I shall never own one.
Just a little ammunition in case I need to say something to someone about NHS. I'd like to have a least an idea of what I'm talking about.*g* amen sister!
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There is a whole lot of misunderstanding here(much deliberate)about Nationalized Health Care. People only hear horror stories and the President isn't helping much by being uninformed about his own bill and who supports it.
Different can be scary to some people and buzz words are part and parcel of political scare mongering (on both sides).
What I'm saying is don't be offended by a few people who are freaking out.
And We'll try to do the same. America bashing seems to be a way of life and perfectly acceptable past time worldwide.
I try to avoid the comments on any news article, that's where things start to get a little disturbing. Well unless you just want someone to make fun of.
Evidently neither do most people, only 98 of the 535 members of Congress have signed a pledge to actually read this before voting.
Now that is scary and the reason I am posting this bill in smaller parts so maybe it will be more easily digested.Although, it's so big the voting may well be over before I get it all up.*snerk
Don't start filtering, where would be the fun in that?
*edited for atrocious spelling
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All I'm doing is following the Twitter trend and reporting on that.
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Would you love you system so much if you were required to purchase Health Insurance from the Government and pay a co-pay as well?
This is what this bill is about not NHS.
As for Fox CNN and so on, I only watch the news programs, when the others come on I am so out of there. Opinions as they say ...
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pay a co-pay as well?
I don't even know what that means. :o)
The NHS is paid for entirely out of income tax, no insurance necessary, unless you elect to get private health insurance, which you are free to do if you so choose.
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Oh sorry,A co-pay is the part you pay that insurance doesn't cover. If your insurance pays 80% your co-pay would be 20%. That's what I pay.
Unless it comes under Major Medical then the insurance pays 100%.
Why would you buy private insurance if it already is paid through income tax?
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Hard to say whether I'd pay a co-pay or how I'd feel about it - It's too alien to me, the concept of doing anything other than just turning up at the GP or hospital and expecting to be seen. Paying for that is... I can't compute, tbh, it's not part of my regular mental processing
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Advanced treatment centers like (I don't know what you have there that equates) St Jude Children's ,MD Anderson or The Mayo Clinic here?
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NHS pay you? for - what? No, never, never heard of such a thing, why? Really, I never heard of that at all! Why would they do that, I am confused!
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If so, no, it doesn't work that way, there's no way to pay the NHS even if you wanted to. Everyone who pays tax pays (ie, the Govt take a proportion of everybody's income tax for the NHS) and everyone (whether they pay tax or not) gets the service, no exemptions, no exceptions.
The only thing you might pay for are prescriptions, if you're working (not in any form of education, not unemployed, not retired, not on permanent disability allowance or any other kind of government benefit etc) you pay £7 per item. If you can buy it cheaper than that over the counter, the doctor will tell you and not add it to the prescription.
Other than that - it's all free.
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Thank you
It would probably be as costly either way.$580 Billion doesn't even seem like real money does it?
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amen sister!
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No. You elect to go private, you pay the bill.
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